WASSAP: The Africa-West Asia Podcast
WASSAP: The Africa-West Asia Podcast translates findings from a three-year research project into an accessible audio series. It looks at how economic, political, cultural, religious, and security ties between Gulf countries and Sub-Saharan African partners are evolving, and why these changes matter globally, especially for Europe. Hosted by Désirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh of CARPO, the show is supported by the Robert Bosch Foundation.
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Across the Red Sea: Historical and Cultural Connections Between Africa and West Asia
In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, hosts Desirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Professor Anne K. Bang, historian at the University of Bergen and a leading scholar of the Indian Ocean world, to explore the historical and cultural connections linking East Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.
The conversation challenges the idea of the Red Sea as a barrier between regions and instead pre
Two Shores, One Sea: The Horn of Africa and West Asia in a Contested Red Sea
In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, hosts Désirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Alan Boswell, Horn of Africa Director at the International Crisis Group and host of The Horn podcast, to explore the growing interconnectedness of the Horn of Africa, the Gulf, and the wider Red Sea region.
The conversation traces how Gulf engagement in the Horn has evolved over the past decade, examinin
Africa and the Gulf in a Multipolar Economy: Trade, Investment, and Strategic Partnerships
In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, hosts Désirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh explore the evolving economic relationship between Africa and the Gulf in the context of an increasingly multipolar world.
They are joined by Aparupa Chakravarti, a strategist working at the intersection of geopolitics, business, development, and social impact across Africa and the Gulf. Drawing on her extensive exper
Special World Cup Episode: Football between Africa and the Gulf
In this special World Cup episode of the WASSAP podcast, we explore how football is increasingly shaping relations between Africa and the Gulf, from the expanded 2026 tournament to Saudi Arabia’s hosting ambitions for 2034.
Host Desirée Custers is joined by Hubert Kinkoh and Dr. Sebastian Sons to examine how football has evolved into a field of geopolitical competition, diplomacy, and strategic
Energy, Ports, and Corridors in Gulf–Africa Relations
In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, we explore the role of energy, ports, and infrastructure corridors in shaping Gulf–Africa relations.
Hosts Desirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Dr. Maddalena Procopio and Dr. May Darwich, who provide insights into how Gulf states are expanding their economic engagement across Africa through investments in energy, logistics, and port infrastructur
Iran and Sub‑Saharan Africa: Relations in Turbulent Times
In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, we explore a less frequently discussed dimension of Africa–West Asia relations: Iran’s engagement with the African continent and how African actors navigate their relationships with Iran.
Hosts Désirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Ambassador Frederic Gateretse‑Ngoga and Dr. Hamid Talebian, who bring institutional and research perspectives on Iran
African Agency in Gulf - Africa Relations: South Africa & Ethiopia
In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, we take a closer look at how African agency unfolds in real-world partnerships with Gulf countries.
Moving from abstract conceptualization of agency to concrete examples, hosts Desirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Dr. Bob Wekesa and Dr. Amare Aweke, who bring perspectives from South Africa and Ethiopia. Together, they explore how African actors e
Introducing The WASSAP Project
In this inaugural episode of WASSAP: The Africa-West Asia Podcast, hosts Désirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh introduce the WASSAP project (West Asia – Sub‑Saharan Africa Partnerships in Flux) and set the stage for the podcast series.
Together with Jan Hanrath, CEO and co-founder of CARPO, and Dr Sebastian Sons, Senior Researcher of CARPO, the episode explores why relations between Gulf countries a
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